Retrofiting a 5-wire (4+N) 12 VAC analog intercom/entryphone with a Shelly UNI. Tegui Horizon N. Tasmota. Diagram and help.

  • Hi, I have a classic analog intercom/entryphone system based on a Tegui Horizon N that I thought would be cool to domotize, so that I can actuate the door-opening switch remotely and get notified via Telegram notifications when the 12 VAC buzzer rings.

    I have been able to switch my Shelly UNI to Tasmota using this intermediate OTA firmware, knowing that I can always go back to the original Shelly firmware with this. Tasmota supports the direct Telegram message integration when enabled in custom builds. Super neat.

    So everything works from the software-side when hooked to a 12 VDC wall wart adapter, great. Now the fun part begins.

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    Here's the official layout for the five terminals:

    • 1Z: Buzzer (white wire)
    • 2: Common/neutral (yellow wire)
    • 3: Door opener (green wire)
    • 4: Electret microphone (gets disconnected when the earpiece rests on the base) (bluish-gray wire)
    • 5: Speaker (gets disconnected when the earpiece rests on the base) (red wire)

    Here is what I aim to do, roughly:

    2021-06-17-tegui-shelly-uni-diagram-scheme-d.png

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    In the official diagram it says that the electric door lock is rated for 12 VAC 880 mA +- 5%.

    Reference PDFs: Official Tegui E-14 installation diagram, Shelly pinout.

    I measured the voltage of the terminals with a multimeter. Here's what I found:

    2, 3: 13 VAC

    3, 4: 13.23 VAC

    5, 4: 4.91 VDC

    5, 3: 13.26 VAC 50 Hz

    4, 2: 5.~ VDC

    5, 2: 0 VAC

    1, 2: 11.20 VAC while buzzing, zero otherwise.

    3, 2: If I bridge these for a few seconds with the disconnected multimeter leads the electric door lock opens as normal. That probably means that I don't have to disconnect the speaker/microphone lines beforehand, reducing complexity.

    Attaching the Shelly UNI outputs directly to 2, 3 does not work, I can hear it buzzing through the earpiece when the Shelly's TLP172GM is running but the electric door lock doesn't budge, so I'm thinking I'll be needing a small external relay that can handle more than 100 mA and still fits inside.

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    Now, the two big questions. Can I feed the Shelly UNI directly without adding noise to the line/interfering with/damaging the speaker and microphone? Do I need an external power supply? It would be neat to have it all in a self-contained way. But I guess I can always go for the AC to 12 DC adapter route if nothing pans out. If I use external power without matching reference voltage for IN_1 will I be risking destroying the Shelly UNI? Will that still work?

    What's the best avenue for an external relay that fits inside and can be actuated by the Shelly UNI? Do I need to add flyback diodes to protect it, any premade kits out there I can use?

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    While I have a very rudimentary knowledge of electronics I can handle the software side just fine. This is a learning experience for me, hopefully someone can give me some pointers. I don't want to break anything. Please be kind and thanks in advance.

    PS: Maybe the documentation helps other people thinking about doing something similar with their own analog intercoms. The order of the terminals may be different, but from what I've seen on the Internet they are all pretty similar.

    6 Mal editiert, zuletzt von tortoise (18. Juni 2021 um 05:40)

    • Offizieller Beitrag

    Hi and welcome to the forum. :)

    Perhaps, funkenwerner can say anything about this, :/

  • Sorry no ;) Shelly Uni ist not my Things ;)

    but DIYROLLY ;)

  • Hi!

    Dont use No 5 from Speaker for VCC

    And No 4, and No 3 and No 12.

    You see the problem?

    You have only No 2 as Common.

    No 3 and No 2 is Door opener.

    The other are switching or for electronic one.

    You must find the other Pole from AC 12V to No 2, it must alltime on.

    When you use external 12V DC for UNI, you have an other Problem with Input State.

    UNI dont want AC in when it is on DC.

    Can you read the Circuits in german from me in Shelly Forum?

    It goes with a Diode to Input.

    I also made a spezial Circuit with other User for UNI.

    The Voltage is generate from Doorbell or Door opener over resistor and Voltage Buffer within xx sec.

    Its not perfect, but it goes ;)

    VG Rolf

    (Wer einen Tippfehler findet, darf den gerne behalten :saint:)

    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von DIYROLLY (17. Juni 2021 um 23:44)

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