Shelly Pro 4 PM random change of state on grid micro cut.

  • I leave in south Italian country side, and the Grid is not the best, ... V fluctuation and Micro cut are frequent.

    (large photovoltaic plant, frequent Storm, consumers peak, the grid have hard time to cope with fluctuation).

    On several occasions (about 10 times a year), my 2 Shelly Pro 4 PM turn ON or OFF all 4 channels, and I was able to witness and confirm it happen on Micro cut. I also have all sort of Shelly 1st Gen (1, 1L, 1PM, Dimmer) in my place, and none of them are affected. (nor Sonoff/Tasmota item)

    It is very annoying, as it defeat the purpose of relays if I have to power off manually the breaker in front of the Shelly Pro 4PM.

    Load are sensitive like Under Floor Heating or pool pump and could lead on huge electric Bill if I am not there.

    Do you think a hardware solution could solve the problem ? (maybe a capacitor? size ?)

    Thank you for your help ...

  • Did you set „Restore the last mode…“:

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    Adding a larger capacitor to the build-in 330μF/16V type at the 12V DC rail would be possible, but you would loose warranty and it’s a bricolage. Let‘s though about this at last…

    „Habt Geduld. Alle Dinge sind schwierig, bevor sie einfach werden!“ (aus Frankreich)

    „Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood.“ (Marie Curie, 1867-1934)

    „Es reicht nicht“, rief Schiller, „Gedankenfreiheit zu fordern, man muß auch denken können, sonst fordert man Gedankenlosigkeitsfreiheit und die ist die Freiheit zur Dummheit, welche wiederum die schlimmste Unfreiheit überhaupt ist!“
    (Aus „Besuch aus Weimar“ von Gert Heidenreich, Schriftsteller, *1944 in Eberswalde)

  • Thank you thgoebel ,

    Some of the channel have physical switch. and are set to match the state of the switch. but obviously that didn't happen because I don't think the ShellyPro4PM actually reboot. (your advice would have been perfect in that case)

    I suppose it just lost/invert the 4 register's state* on the micro cut. when it happen, I can see AT ONCE other house lights flicker, server APC bip (server+router +switch protected , Shelly pro4PM are cat5 connected to switch), and some light channels turn ON (Shelly pro4PM).

    A reboot would take few seconds, this why I think Shelly didn't reboot. Unfortunately I didn't think to look at the log (Home assistant - MQTT).

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    For the capacitor I was more thinking about an external one on the main, on the Shelly power input. (a bit like the one you install on the output for motor) but my electrical skill are a bit outdated...

    *I had only witness 4 channels OFF before turning ON after micro cut, (not a combination of state)

  • Ah! Shelly pro 4PM is connected via LAN cable. Hence, I would propose to change the LAN cable with a NON-shielded CAT-3 cable, because some charges of Shelly pro 4PM have a capacitor between pin N and the shield of the LAN jack. This may cause electrical interference between shield ground and ground of mains grid. With some likeliness, this may help…

    „Habt Geduld. Alle Dinge sind schwierig, bevor sie einfach werden!“ (aus Frankreich)

    „Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood.“ (Marie Curie, 1867-1934)

    „Es reicht nicht“, rief Schiller, „Gedankenfreiheit zu fordern, man muß auch denken können, sonst fordert man Gedankenlosigkeitsfreiheit und die ist die Freiheit zur Dummheit, welche wiederum die schlimmste Unfreiheit überhaupt ist!“
    (Aus „Besuch aus Weimar“ von Gert Heidenreich, Schriftsteller, *1944 in Eberswalde)

    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von thgoebel (30. November 2022 um 10:33)