Connecting a Shelly 1 to a 3 - 4 - 3 way circuit

  • I purchased two Shelly 1 devices a few days ago and successfully set one up on a single-pole switch. I've been trying to get the other one connected to a 3 - 4 - 3 way circuit but I haven't had any luck yet.

    The switches are as follows:

    Switch_A:

    Common: RED (assuming this is the LOAD for the lights)

    Travelers BLACK and WHITE wires.

    Just those three wires are present.

    Switch_B:

    4 screws, left screws have black wires, right screws have white wires.

    There are two bundles here, one with 3 wires and one with 2 wires. The RED wire is not used in the 3 wire bundle.

    Switch_C:

    Bundle_1: 3 wires:

    RED - to Switch_C Common terminal - seems to be the HOT wire

    BLACK - wired to Bundle_2 BLACK

    WHITE - wired to Bundle_2 WHITE

    Bundle_2: 2 wires

    BLACK - wired to Bundle_1 BLACK

    WHITE - wired to Bundle_1 WHITE

    Bundle 3: 2 wires

    BLACK - to Switch_C Traveler terminal on Common side

    WHITE - to Switch_C Traveler terminal on opposite side

    When I disconnected the two pairs of wires in Switch_C's junction box, I could still turn the lights on if the other switches were flipped a certain way.

    [L] - RED wire from Switch_C - Jumper to NEW HOT wire nut

    [I] - to HOT wire nut

    [I] - to HOT wire nut

    [N] - to existing WHITE NEUTRAL wire nut

    I have been trying different configurations. I think perhaps the problem is with the [O] terminal on the Shelly 1. It would seem I have to connect both travelers from Switch_C to get it to work. I guess this is a problem? I haven't tried it but I assume so.

    Could this circuit work with a Shelly 2 somehow? Or is there a way to get it to work with a Shelly 1?

    Thanks for any help!

  • Okay, I did my best! Attached is the information I have at the moment as a PNG file.

    3 Switches:

    Green 3-way <=> Blue 4-way <=> Red 3-way

    Green 3-way -- to Lights / LOAD -- Red common wire, black and white traveler wires

    Blue 4-way -- wired between the other two. Two black wires on one side, two whites on the other

    Red 3-way -- to LINE -- Red common wire, black and white traveler wires <-- Target location for Shelly 1 (or whatever Shelly might work! I'll find a use for the Shelly 1!).

    I would like the Shelly to be wired in in addition to the existing 3-way switch. The switch is a USA simple toggle switch, not a momentary or Decora / newer wide switch -- I mean the simple ones that have been around since before the 70s at least. I could change the switch type but I'd rather not.

    There are 3 wire bundles in the target switch (the RED one) -- a 3 wire and two 2-wire bundles (all have ground wires and those are tied together). I am not positive where they are going but I have a general idea at this point.

    Note: The junction box mentioned in the diagram may or may not be involved. I can see it but I cannot access it -- it is behind a heating duct very close to the ceiling and wall. It may not affect the wiring regardless? I am unsure.

    -- Red common wire, black and white traveler wires.

    EDIT: When I disconnected the cables in the RED box (the two blacks and the two white wires), the switch still partially functioned. But maybe you guys can see that already... :D

    Thank you very much!